BIG IDEA | ‘The bottom line really is that if you're a major American company, and you're doing a lot of business in China, effectively, you are contributing to the torture of the weavers, to the crackdown in Hong Kong, to the threat to Taiwan.’
‘We have to face our CEOs with that moral dilemma, and just keep holding it out there.’
Malcolm: ‘How do you get that element under control?'
Clyde: ‘One thing is that we can shame them. Let me give you a good example.'
- ‘Tim Cook at Apple is politically very liberal, and he supports liberal causes, politically, openly in the US.'
- ‘Now, everything that Tim Cook sells, every product, every single product that Apple sells, had its origin in a US government-funded program. DARPA, DOD, everything.'
- ‘Everything that he sells is made in China.'
‘Now, a few years ago, the FBI had a problem trying to crack a crime and they needed to open an encrypted Apple phone.'
- ‘They asked Apple to help. Apple refused. It went to court. It was never resolved in court because in the meantime, the FBI found another outsider who could crack the phone. But Apple never agreed to cooperate with the FBI.'
‘Fast forward to 2019, and people are demonstrating in Hong Kong for democracy.'
- ‘And there's an app in the Apple App Store. It's called Hong Kong Map Live.'
- ‘Demonstrators could use the app to see where the police were and then they would go where the police weren't.'
- ‘The People's Daily, the Chinese communist newspaper on the mainland, began really complaining about this app, and within two days it was out of the App Store.'
‘Tim Cook should have to face that.'
- “Tim, how is it that you bow down to rumors in the People's Daily, but you can't cooperate with the FBI?”
‘We're beginning to see that with this cotton and Xinjiang.'
- ‘But the bottom line really is that if you're a major American company, and you're doing a lot of business in China, effectively, you are contributing to the torture of the weavers, to the crackdown in Hong Kong, to the threat to Taiwan.'
‘We have to face our CEOs with that moral dilemma, and just keep holding it out there.'
- ‘That's relatively easy to do, and we ought to be doing it.'